tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post8575844612660524514..comments2023-10-22T03:07:32.340-05:00Comments on Pulp Friction: Karen Zipdrivehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10394557801356007952noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-82254651264326361432010-11-04T00:01:39.185-05:002010-11-04T00:01:39.185-05:00Thanks for this, Karen. I've not known much ab...Thanks for this, Karen. I've not known much about LBJ ... and I agree with you ... one like him is badly needed ... and up here in Canada, some of us are pining for a prime minister with the cojones of Pierre "Just Watch Me" Trudeau (our PM from 1968 - 1984, except for a brief Tory blip in there somewhere) -- He had a mind like a steel trap ... I often wonder how it all might have panned out if Trudeau were still alive and our PM ... He and Barack Obama might have had a real meeting of the minds. I can imagine Trudeau kicking some Barack butt, like a vigilant and unrelenting mentor. Trudeau was piss-poor with all things economic, but he had a political presence that said, "Don't even *think* about fucking with me or my country." And he adored his sons. So many women went bonkers over Pierre ... and there I was, thinking that if I could have chosen one man in the world to be my father, it'd be him.<br /><br />... Reading your post again, I think that LBJ and PET (Pierre Elliott Trudeau) would have clashed like rams over Vietnam, but they were on the same page re: civil and human rights. Trudeau's most famous quote was probably, "The church and state have no business in the bedrooms of the nation."<br /><br />@okjimm -- I laughed so hard I nearly snarfed my tea!Jaliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02868006713291780694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-51755298428237053022010-10-25T18:09:21.338-05:002010-10-25T18:09:21.338-05:00Great point BigSis! I never thought of it in that ...Great point BigSis! I never thought of it in that context.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-87261112911829435282010-10-25T16:53:58.609-05:002010-10-25T16:53:58.609-05:00The legislature treated Hillary the same way they ...The legislature treated Hillary the same way they now treat Obama, and that's to do all in their power to assure failure.bigsisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-34902017331538510422010-10-24T13:24:06.568-05:002010-10-24T13:24:06.568-05:00Hillary's weakness is in the us-v-them mentali...Hillary's weakness is in the us-v-them mentality... not about Republicans, and she was right about the vast right-wing conspiracy... but in the case of the health care fiasco she shut out major stakeholders (I do hate that term) who disagreed with her. Not a great way to negotiate to consensus.<br /><br />Obama's enemies have exploited the 'other' syndrome that is an insidious part of racism. Hillary will be vulnerable on that front, only now it's sexism... since she's the 'right' race with the wrong equipment.<br />(strangled cry here...)Lulu Maudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03100523351881499282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-87340124448991525122010-10-23T14:30:51.806-05:002010-10-23T14:30:51.806-05:00OKJimm-- now that was hilarious and beautifully ca...OKJimm-- now that was hilarious and beautifully captured LBJ's wit.Karen Zipdrivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394557801356007952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-19458076738446688362010-10-23T14:28:49.347-05:002010-10-23T14:28:49.347-05:00Hillary spent months of research and work on healt...Hillary spent months of research and work on health care reform, and it's wasn't that she failed, it was that the GOP made a laughingstock of her efforts because it hit their precious insurance companies right in the nuts.<br />She wasn't like some ditzy housewife writing reforms from her kitchen table, her legal and research skills were enough for the Nixon Impreachment committee to ask her to research and draft the amendment for impeachment.<br />AND this was while she she was still a fucking law clerk.<br />I will stipulate that Vietnam was LBJ's Waterloo, but he even grew his hair out in his last weeks in the White House, I think as a silent nod to us protesters.<br />Matty Boy, MC Hammer was an inspiration to my own Big Sis because during her darkest days in law school, his "Too Legit to Quit" was her anthem.<br />He helped Texas gain one damn fine victim's rights atttorney.<br />The Housewifes are very popular, and I am among millions who agree.<br />And Hillary would have made--and will make-- a great fucking president.<br />So I hate to say it, mon ami, but I think you are Hrong on all counts(big kiss).Karen Zipdrivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394557801356007952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-5629115679840567502010-10-23T12:43:21.026-05:002010-10-23T12:43:21.026-05:00Thurgood Marshall and LBJ were long time drinking ...Thurgood Marshall and LBJ were long time drinking buddies and had long discussions about life, politics etc. According to Thurgood, during one of their chats LBJ confided to him that it would be recorded in history that he lost the Presidency because of the Viet Nam war, but LBJ said the real reason is because he dared to appoint a black man to the Supreme Court. LBJ was a wise man.<br /><br />The election of a black President has revealed the depth of racism that's always existed in this country. The haters would rather see our country fail than see a black man succeed.bigsisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-30810627087498556072010-10-23T11:19:30.197-05:002010-10-23T11:19:30.197-05:00I read an LBJ anecdote once... said that when he w...I read an LBJ anecdote once... said that when he was running for the Texas statehouse he was asked for campaign strategy against a strong opponent. Lyndon said," Let's call him a pig-fucker."<br />His aides did not think that appropriate. Lyndon said that it would be worth it just "to hear him deny it."okjimmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013002335848390765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-51233788381444518142010-10-23T10:43:55.899-05:002010-10-23T10:43:55.899-05:00i wont dive into the Hillary debate here..
but LB...i wont dive into the Hillary debate here..<br /><br />but LBJ - LBJ inherited Vietnam - expanded it and then got stuck when he realized that his generals do what generals do - fight wars - even ones that are unwinnable. LBJ increased troops and made it worse because he didnt want the Harry Truman stigma of "who lost China" (gawd, is that the most awful reason to go to war - losing countries - grrr) - Obama is doing a very similar thing in Afghanistan (similar, not exact) - he does not want to be the guy who lost in Afghanistan - especially the black guy who lost. and listending to the generals - GENERALS FIGHT WARS - period. <br /><br />that is where the similarity ends. obama has ZERO spine - good talker, bad behind the scenes. obama also does not know how to deal with his enemies (the GOP is not opposition, they are enemies bent on destroying him). <br /><br />LBJ also had the wherewithal to bow out of the 68 race - knowing his presidency was broken by Vietnam and the Tet Offensive - 4 days later King was killed, effectively ending the Johnson era. <br /><br />LBJ had guts and a bulldozer attitude - and i think he actually cared about people - vietnam will forever tar him. i think obama cares about people - only he simply cannot deal with being the first black president - i think it is overwhelming him.<br /><br />LBJ died the day before the Vietnam cease fire (which btw was a joke since the war went on for over 2 more years) was signed and 2 days after Nixon was sworn in for his 2nd disastrous term. how ironicDistributorcaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10149154929149577121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-9259470537481421222010-10-23T10:31:17.909-05:002010-10-23T10:31:17.909-05:00We've had almost nothing but self serving whit...We've had almost nothing but self serving white men as Presidents and they screwed things up. So we put a highly intelligent, but sweet and naive black man in office and his weakness has enflamed and empowered the ignorant and insane (tea baggers and Palinistas). Face it, men can't handle the job as Prez without screwing up, so how about tapping into the other 50% of the population...WOMEN.<br /><br />HC has it all. She can intimidate pompous white men, and she's as intelligent and kind hearted as Obama.bigsisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-87778655941322438652010-10-22T22:11:20.668-05:002010-10-22T22:11:20.668-05:00Jesus Matty, you actually blame HRC for the health...Jesus Matty, you actually blame HRC for the healthcare debacle during Billy's time in the oval office? She wasn't an elected official at the time for Christs sake!<br /><br />KZ knows I wasn't a fan of hers when she ran for Prez, but I still believe she has the balls for the job...unlike Obama who doesn't seem to have any balls. <br /><br />Oh...and Rangers win!!!!!!! YAY!!!! say so long Yank$!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-21515755575766405032010-10-22T22:00:17.022-05:002010-10-22T22:00:17.022-05:00Hillary isn't Bill. She hasn't shown as m...Hillary isn't Bill. She hasn't shown as much talent at this. Bill had an LBJ moment with Newt Gingrich when he found out how much Newtie liked the young and strange.<br /><br />She had her chance with health care and she blew it. She never had anything in her election campaign stronger than "You're picking on me 'cause I'm a girl." In California, she was in bed with scum like Willie Brown. Nothing you can say can take that bad taste out of my mouth. <br /><br />I'm glad to have you as a blog buddy, but I can think of three things that start with H that we are never going to agree on: Housewives, Hillary and Hammer.Matthew Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17769958949302039878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-86879269076832818902010-10-22T21:32:37.079-05:002010-10-22T21:32:37.079-05:00The is a simply wonderful post KZ. The only thing ...The is a simply wonderful post KZ. The only thing I ever held against LBJ was the Vietnam War. He was a great arm-twister and a great american. He was a great President, one of my top three actually, when I minus the war. <br /><br />His LadyBird is one of my fav first ladies as wildflowers were special to her, and they are to me as well since we have thousands of acres of them in Kern County every spring. I think of her when I see them. <br /><br />Yes, I think he would of loved HRC and her brass balls.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-9085298528863965122010-10-22T20:50:50.334-05:002010-10-22T20:50:50.334-05:00I get that they all put their consciences to one s...I get that they all put their consciences to one side before an election, KZ, some to a greater degree than others. And I wasn't suggesting that Obama's pre-election stance on the war was any more principled than Hillary's macho posturing - given subsequent actions, the president definitely carries more shame.<br /><br />I'd love to be able to vote for her. She's more clever than any other candidate. She hates elected republicans and has enough memories to mete out some cathartic retribution. And she is certainly politically astute enough to do things the right way round - speak to Republican voters before an election, with talk of tax cuts, equivocating about DADT, etc., before spending the first two years of office following her progressive instincts quickly and clinically. Like LBJ.Iainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-80658843034270666572010-10-22T19:25:26.885-05:002010-10-22T19:25:26.885-05:00lbj was one tough sonuvabitch who knew how to get ...lbj was one tough sonuvabitch who knew how to get things done. not sure he would have survived the 24-hour news and the internets, but he sure would have given them a run for their money.<br /><br />i had read that story about operation texas a few months ago. i don't remember where i had seen it, but it gave me even more respect for lbj. thanks, bigsis, for reminding me of it.<br /><br />i was with hillary all the way, and i would love, love, love to vote for her for president.nonnie9999http://mikk2.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-39983463857032329202010-10-22T17:48:32.149-05:002010-10-22T17:48:32.149-05:00Whoa, horsie!
Hillary is NOT Bill.
I think Bill am...Whoa, horsie!<br />Hillary is NOT Bill.<br />I think Bill amply demonstrated through his actions that his wife is of a better moral character, and Hillary has demonstrated by staying with that cheating son of a bitch that she is capable of mature, reasoned responses to outrageous acts.<br />She also has been an effective, respected Secretary of State who has demonstrated real loyalty to her timid, inneffectual boss.<br />Matty Boy, you know I adore you but it's really sexist to make assumptions about a woman based on the actions of her husband.<br />Hillary has her very own law degree, she has experience as a well-respected U.S. Senator and she's paid her dues both personally and professionally.<br />She reared a wonderful daughter, she's been a good role model for girls AND boys, and she's always kept her dick in her pantsuit.<br />While I realize that Bill had experience as governor of a backwoods hick state when he ran for president, Hillary would be entering office with better qualifications, foreign policy and diplomacy experience, and have I mentioned she hasn't wasted time or money by fucking around on the tax payers' dime?<br />She's not Bill.<br />She may not be as slick, likable and flirtatious as Bill, but do we really want another frisky president with major zipper troubles?Karen Zipdrivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394557801356007952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-1425042181378996832010-10-22T17:33:47.544-05:002010-10-22T17:33:47.544-05:00Hillary is no LBJ. Hell, Nixon's record for p...Hillary is no LBJ. Hell, Nixon's record for passing progressive legislation is several times more impressive than Bill's was.Matthew Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17769958949302039878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-29965182994003864382010-10-22T12:41:17.334-05:002010-10-22T12:41:17.334-05:00ALL politicians ditch their principles to get elec...ALL politicians ditch their principles to get elected. <br />Obama lied out his ass about ending the wars to get elected, so how is it so different from Hillary lying about escalating the wars?<br />With Hillary as president, I believe you'd quickly see the ball sacs of the radical right retract and witness a new willingness to knock off the obstructionism and start making some goddamn deals.<br />Someone has to end this log-jam and no Republicans are willing to even try to be conciliatory.Karen Zipdrivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394557801356007952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3207551.post-83080273197919697312010-10-22T12:32:09.712-05:002010-10-22T12:32:09.712-05:00Although I don't imagine that she will, I'...Although I don't imagine that she will, I'd like to see HC go for it, as a less naive president than Obama has seemed to be, and, obviously, not the Republican one that seems so horribly inevitable.<br /><br />Can't agree with her support for the Iraq war, though. If this was considered a necessary tactic, then she's just as guilty of ditching principles to speak to Republicans as Obama.<br /><br />That said, I'd love to think she would want to exact revenge on Republicans for the past. Also, I'm sure she'll have learned from Obama and would find a much better balance between doing stuff and trying to get re-elected. Or, even better, forget the usual obsession with a second term, LBJ-style, and just do stuff.Iainnoreply@blogger.com